Amazon And Peyoneer... How?

jeremyjajeremyja Member Posts: 8
I've just got approved for US payment service and I wanted to add it to my Amazon associates account, but reading their FAQs they strictly say:

Amazon Associates allows people to be paid by direct deposit to their nominated bank accounts if they AND their bank are based within the United States. At this time, the Amazon.com Associates Program is unable to offer direct deposit to International Associates or to banks located outside of the United States.


So non-US citizens aren't able to use direct deposit even with US payment service. Is that correct?
Any way around this?
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  • PhoenixPhoenix Member Posts: 2
    I checked Amazon's payment rules:

    "Please note that you can change your threshold at any time but it must be submitted by the first day of the payment month to be effective. For example, if you would like to raise your threshold to $500, it must be entered by 3/1 to be effective for January earnings paid in March. If you change your threshold to $1000 on 3/15, if will be effective for February earnings paid in April."

    How Can I Do?
  • PhoenixPhoenix Member Posts: 2
    This mean I can not change payment this month now.
  • TaliaTalia Moderator Member Posts: 428 ✭✭
    Hi,

    This is discussing the threshold, not the payment method. Either way, like we mentioned earlier, we won't be changing the accounts today or anything, we were just giving you advance notice about the change that we will have.
    Talia
    Sign up for Payoneer and the US Payment Service here!
  • PhoenixPhoenix Member Posts: 2
    Thanks, As long as the money of Amazon received this month is OK.
  • TaliaTalia Moderator Member Posts: 428 ✭✭
    It will be, and it shouldn't be a problem after that either. :-)
    Talia
    Sign up for Payoneer and the US Payment Service here!
  • MashaMasha Member Posts: 0
    Can I use Payoneer to receive a payment from AKDP?
    Hi
    I've done a search on this topic and managed to confuse myself even more!

    I'm selling books on Amazon.com using their Amazon Kindle Direct service. Amazon dont pay EFT if you do not have an American bank account (I'm in South Africa).
    Is there a way I can use Payoneer to receive my Amazon.com Amazon Kindle Direct payments?

    Sorry for the newby question! :)

    Thanks
    Masha du Toit
  • DavidDavid Member Posts: 3,193 ✭✭✭
    Masha wrote:

    Hi
    I've done a search on this topic and managed to confuse myself even more!

    I'm selling books on Amazon.com using their Amazon Kindle Direct service. Amazon dont pay EFT if you do not have an American bank account (I'm in South Africa).
    Is there a way I can use Payoneer to receive my Amazon.com Amazon Kindle Direct payments?

    Sorry for the newby question! :)

    Thanks
    Masha du Toit


    Hey Masha,

    Thank you for visiting our website.

    You can use our US Payment Service to receive the payments from Amazon. Please PM me for further details.

    I look forward to hearing from you.

    Sign up for Payoneer and the US Payment Service

  • James1234James1234 Member Posts: 1
    David wrote:

    Hey Masha,

    Thank you for visiting our website.

    You can use our US Payment Service to receive the payments from Amazon. Please PM me for further details.

    I look forward to hearing from you.

    Hi David,

    I'm new to Payoneer and have pending funds from books i've sold via Kindle that I want to release to my Payoneer debit card. Can you please PM me with more details on how to do that?

    Thanks in Advance! <img class=" />
    JJ
  • DavidDavid Member Posts: 3,193 ✭✭✭
    James1234 wrote:

    Hi David,

    I'm new to Payoneer and have pending funds from books i've sold via Kindle that I want to release to my Payoneer debit card. Can you please PM me with more details on how to do that?

    Thanks in Advance! <img class=" />
    JJ


    Thanks for your interest, I will PM you with further details.

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  • Charles123Charles123 Member Posts: 0
    amazonpayments and payoneer
    Can I use Payoneer to receive a payment from amazonpayments?
  • NissimNissim Head of Community Administrator Posts: 3,604 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    Hi Charles,

    Yes, our US Payment Service will allow you to receive US Direct Deposit transfers from Amazon directly to the Payoneer card. If you already have a Payoneer card, please PM me the e-mail address on your account and I will be happy to provide you with further details.

    If you do not, you can apply for a card using this link: http://bit.ly/IfpVNT
  • artfansyartfansy Member Posts: 1
    Hi David!
    I'm new to Payoneer
    I will make a request by mail to obtain money from Amazon.
    Reference number: LTK529017610886X.
    When will the answer?
  • DavidDavid Member Posts: 3,193 ✭✭✭
    artfansy wrote:

    Hi David!
    I'm new to Payoneer
    I will make a request by mail to obtain money from Amazon.
    Reference number: LTK529017610886X.
    When will the answer?



    Hey,

    Thanks for coming and visiting our forums.

    I have passed on your information to our approval department.

    Sign up for Payoneer and the US Payment Service

  • citizencitizen Member Posts: 0
    Hi,

    I read with interest about your US Payment service as an alternative to having a physical bank account in the US.
    For users like me who are based outside of the US, it can be virtually impossible to setup a regular banking account.

    I am looking for a way to receive funds from Amazon Payments and your service looks like it might do the job.

    I read on some other posts that it should work with Amazon but I wanted to know if you know of any Amazon accounts that have been successfully established and funded using your service. Is there anything in how the accounts are setup that would allow Amazon to block this in future?

    Do you have any information about this service as I could not find it on the site other than in these forums.

    I have had a Payoneer card for many years and this could be a great way to extend the relationship.

    Thanks and look forward to hearing from you.

    Cheers,

    Alex
  • DavidDavid Member Posts: 3,193 ✭✭✭
    citizen wrote:

    Hi,

    I read with interest about your US Payment service as an alternative to having a physical bank account in the US.
    For users like me who are based outside of the US, it can be virtually impossible to setup a regular banking account.

    I am looking for a way to receive funds from Amazon Payments and your service looks like it might do the job.

    I read on some other posts that it should work with Amazon but I wanted to know if you know of any Amazon accounts that have been successfully established and funded using your service. Is there anything in how the accounts are setup that would allow Amazon to block this in future?

    Do you have any information about this service as I could not find it on the site other than in these forums.

    I have had a Payoneer card for many years and this could be a great way to extend the relationship.

    Thanks and look forward to hearing from you.

    Cheers,

    Alex


    Hello Alex,

    Thanks for coming and visiting our forums.

    You have heard right the US Payment Service allows for people to receive their Amazon payment to their Payoneer Card.

    We have had many people successfully and happily use this service.

    I am going to PM you with further details.

    Sign up for Payoneer and the US Payment Service

  • mustyfxmustyfx Member Posts: 1
    Please I want to apply for your U.S. payment system. I fill the form for you customer support unique ticket number LTK529018662545X but still no reply. Pls help me.
  • NissimNissim Head of Community Administrator Posts: 3,604 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    mustyfx wrote:

    Please I want to apply for your U.S. payment system. I fill the form for you customer support unique ticket number LTK529018662545X but still no reply. Pls help me.


    An e-mail with further details have been sent out to you. Please reply with the requested documents/information, and we will be able to continue in processing your US Payment Service application.
  • violazoneviolazone Member Posts: 1
    My ticket number LTK529018841609X, please help me to get card
  • DavidDavid Member Posts: 3,193 ✭✭✭
    violazone wrote:

    My ticket number LTK529018841609X, please help me to get card


    Hey,

    I have sent you a message with the questionnaire for the US Payment Service, please fill it out and respond to the email.

    We look forward to hearing you.

    Sign up for Payoneer and the US Payment Service

  • OleksandrOleksandr Member Posts: 3
    using US Virtual Bank with Amazon Payments
    Dear Payoneer Team,

    I sent email to Payoneer Support four days ago, but still have no answer.
    I need help with Amazon Payments using US Virtual Bank.

    My ticket number: LTK529020429369X

    Thank you in advance.
  • DavidDavid Member Posts: 3,193 ✭✭✭
    Oleksandr wrote:

    Dear Payoneer Team,

    I sent email to Payoneer Support four days ago, but still have no answer.
    I need help with Amazon Payments using US Virtual Bank.

    My ticket number: LTK529020429369X

    Thank you in advance.


    Hey,

    I have passed on your ticker and you should be hearing from customer support soon.

    Sign up for Payoneer and the US Payment Service

  • TarmiziTarmizi Member Posts: 2
    routing number,amazon.com
    I have sent email to support but no reply. I need to know several info on payoneer.
    Please check these info which needed to be supplied at Amazon.com before able to receive payment from them.
    I need to confirm that, the bank name is Payoneer, am I wrong?
    Bank account type: Savings?
    Routing Number / ABA Number?

    My email is tarmizi.ramly "alt" gmail.com if you need to help me through email.

    Thanks in advance

    Regards
    Tarmizi
  • TarmiziTarmizi Member Posts: 2
    Can anyone respond to my question?
  • DavidDavid Member Posts: 3,193 ✭✭✭
    Tarmizi wrote:

    I have sent email to support but no reply. I need to know several info on payoneer.
    Please check these info which needed to be supplied at Amazon.com before able to receive payment from them.
    I need to confirm that, the bank name is Payoneer, am I wrong?
    Bank account type: Savings?
    Routing Number / ABA Number?

    My email is tarmizi.ramly "alt" gmail.com if you need to help me through email.

    Thanks in advance

    Regards
    Tarmizi


    Hi,

    The information of what to fill in (including bank name) can be found if you log in to your "My Account" page and click on the US Payment Service tab under the "Service" option on the toolbar.

    The bank type you will choose is "Checking", when you fill in the information.

    Sign up for Payoneer and the US Payment Service

  • TarmiziTarmizi Member Posts: 2
    edited July 2012
    David wrote:

    Hi,

    The information of what to fill in (including bank name) can be found if you log in to your "My Account" page and click on the under the "Service" option on the toolbar.

    The bank type you will choose is "Checking", when you fill in the information.


    After log in into My Account page at https://myaccount.payoneer.com/ , There are "Account Information", "General Information", "Tools" and "Withdrawal"
    There are no "US Payment Service tab" and "Service" options on the toolbar. None of the tab options contain information on "what to fill in (including bank name)" like mentioned above.
  • DavidDavid Member Posts: 3,193 ✭✭✭
    Tarmizi wrote:

    After log in into My Account page at https://myaccount.payoneer.com/ , There are "Account Information", "General Information", "Tools" and "Withdrawal"
    There are no "US Payment Service tab" and "Service" options on the toolbar. None of the tab options contain information on "what to fill in (including bank name)" like mentioned above.


    Hi,

    I see you have not yet applied for the US Payment Service.

    In order for this information to appear you need to have been approved. Please fill out the questionnaire that was sent to you with the requested information.

    Sign up for Payoneer and the US Payment Service

  • LucyluckLucyluck Member Posts: 2
    can I use my US Payment Service for Amazon. But I haven't got the
    Hi Guys,

    I'm wondering, can I use my US Payment Service to receive payment from amazon? but I haven't got the payoneer card and haven't activated it yet. Approximately the payoneer card will arrive at 18 Agust 2012.

    I really want to receive my next month payment from amazon to my payoneer card or US payment service.
    The problem is changing payment methode in amazon, must be done at the end of this month.

    The point is, can I start to use my US Payment Service even I haven't receive and activated my payoneer card?

    Thanks Before
  • NissimNissim Head of Community Administrator Posts: 3,604 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    Yes, you can begin using your US Payment Service before the card arrives. The funds will be received to your account, and loaded once you activate the card.
  • LucyluckLucyluck Member Posts: 2
    Nissim wrote:

    Yes, you can begin using your US Payment Service before the card arrives. The funds will be received to your account, and loaded once you activate the card.


    I'm glad to hear it Nissim.
    Thanks for the info.
  • ComfortComfort Member Posts: 3
    When setting up Amazon to pay through the US Payment Service it asks for the following information:-

    1. Bank Name
    2. Bank Account Holder Name
    3. Bank Account Type
    4. Bank Account Number
    5. Routing Number / ABA Number


    You provide all the information on the "My Account > Services - US Payment Service" page except for the Bank Account Type. The choices are Savings or Checking?

    Which one do we select? Checking?
  • kaisuskaisus Member Posts: 16
    Yes Checking
  • NissimNissim Head of Community Administrator Posts: 3,604 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    We have many card holders receiving payments from Amazon to their US Payment Service. This notice may be general, and mainly meant to explain that you can only be paid to a US bank account under your name.

    I would suggest trying to add the account as a payment method, and if you have any issues please let me know.
  • jeremyjajeremyja Member Posts: 8
    Ok thanks. I added it successfully.
  • jeremyjajeremyja Member Posts: 8
    edited September 2012
    Correction.
    It seemed to be added successfully, but since I didn't get payment this month, I asked Amazon Associates support when will changing payment method take effect and this is their answer:

    Hello Nikola,

    I apologize for any misunderstanding. In order to qualify for the direct deposit of your Associates earnings, all three of the following conditions must be met:

    1) your payee address must be in the United States
    2) your bank must be a United States Financial Institution
    3) you must have a U.S. tax ID number or a Social Security number.

    Since your payee address is in Serbia payment by direct deposit isn't available to you. However, you still have the option to be paid by Amazon.com gift card or check.


    So, this isn't possible for international users.
    Now, I am wondering what's the point of US payment service at all? I can't use it on Amazon, nor on their subdivision MTurk. I guess I wont be able to use it for adsense too, since they offer payment methods based on your country.

    I understand that many of your card holders are receiving payments through US Payment Service, but are those US based users?
    I am wondering why would they need virtual bank account at all :huh:

    Anyway, I still need to try with Clickbank. They may be my last chance :)
  • DavidDavid Member Posts: 3,193 ✭✭✭
    edited February 2013

    Hi,

    The US Payment Service is used mainly for cardholder outside the U.S.

    Regarding your issue with Amazon please private message me with the email associated with your account and I will look into it.

    Sign up for Payoneer and the US Payment Service

  • Alex SmithAlex Smith Member Posts: 1
    I understand that US payment services allows users to use a virtual US account to receive payments from US companies. I publish on Amazon KDP and the only method of payment possible for me is by check. Will it be possible to get paid through US Payment service without having an SSN and TIN?
  • DavidDavid Member Posts: 3,193 ✭✭✭
    Alex Smith wrote:

    I understand that US payment services allows users to use a virtual US account to receive payments from US companies. I publish on Amazon KDP and the only method of payment possible for me is by check. Will it be possible to get paid through US Payment service without having an SSN and TIN?


    Yes, the US Payment Service allows you to transfer the money from your Amazon account to your Payoneer card without needing a SSN and TIN.

    Sign up for Payoneer and the US Payment Service

  • Alex SmithAlex Smith Member Posts: 1
    David wrote:

    Yes, the US Payment Service allows you to transfer the money from your Amazon account to your Payoneer card without needing a SSN and TIN.


    thank you David for the quick reply, hope to get the card approved to apply for the US payment service too. unless i can do that before.
  • DavidDavid Member Posts: 3,193 ✭✭✭
    Alex Smith wrote:

    thank you David for the quick reply, hope to get the card approved to apply for the US payment service too. unless i can do that before.


    Once the card is approved you will receive information regarding the US Payment Service.

    Sign up for Payoneer and the US Payment Service

  • RhysRhys Member Posts: 3
    Any Help? Answers? Advice?
    Hi,

    I am a Payoneer cardholder from South Africa approved for the US Payment service and would like to withdraw my Amazon Associates earnings to my Payoneer card via Direct Deposit. My problem is that Amazon has, within the last week or so, completely removed the Direct Deposit option from my account, leaving me with only "Pay by gift card" and "Pay by check".

    I searched the Amazon Associates discussion boards and found similar reports from Non-US Associates (including Payoneer cardholders), where their Direct Deposit option had mysteriously disappeared as well.

    Note: I did have the Direct Deposit option before, and had successfully entered my US bank routing and account number, but now I don't see any of that any more.

    Now I understand that Payoneer may not have any answers for me right this moment but I would love to know if you are 1) aware of this issue, and 2) able to provide non-US Associates like myself a workaround or solution to this problem. I have also emailed Nissim about this directly, however I haven't heard back from him yet.
  • NissimNissim Head of Community Administrator Posts: 3,604 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    Hi Rhys,

    As you mentioned, it appears that the Direct Deposit is no longer listed for international affiliates looking to get paid from the Amazon Associates program. We are looking in to this issue and hope to have more information. Of course, Payoneer has no control over Amazon payment methods; the only way to get paid from Amazon is to have a valid account with the option of receiving direct deposit transfers.

    Once we have further information, we will be sure to notify you.
  • LijahJLijahJ Member Posts: 3
    edited November 2012
    Yup, I'm in the same boat too and would really appreciate a solution to this as soon as poss.

    Also (and I did email David on this but no response), can you tell me whether what I have done is OK or totally bang out of order:

    I'm from the UK. I could not get the direct deposit check box to show up, so I changed my address details on my Amazon.com account to the bank address details for Payoneer (just as a test). I was then able to access the direct deposit field.

    I'm figuring that I really should change the address details back, but if push come to shove and Amazon insist on non US residents having a US address would Payoneer customers be able to use the US bank address given to them as a workaround?

    ========================================================================================================

    **EDIT: I've just found out that Amazon Associates US (I called and spoke to an affiliate mgr so this is accurate) do not currently pay via the Payoneer system for non US residents however, they are actively looking into this and this may very well change soon. I was told to check my associate account in a week or so.

    I did ask about using the Payoneer bank address (after I changed mine back of course) and this is a no-no.

    So I guess we'll all just have to wait it out and hope Amazon come to their senses.

    ========================================================================================================
  • NissimNissim Head of Community Administrator Posts: 3,604 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 2012
    Firstly, I'd like to thank you guys for posting and sharing your experience.

    Using the bank address as your address is not recommended, as technically you are not a US resident. This may cause tax reporting issues on Amazon's end. Additionally it is not authorized by the bank/Payoneer; any attempt to confirm this as your own will fail and may result in the disabling of your Amazon account.

    I of course understand that you're not looking to cheat the system in any way, and simply want an efficient solution to receive your payments. We're continuing to try and find a solution, and hopefully (as Amazon mentioned), there will be one soon.
  • DalCompDalComp Member Posts: 7
    Hello,

    I have noticed that direct deposit payments are not (or no longer?) available for Amazon non-US affiliates. I confirmed it by asking their customer support.

    I am a new member here. My card is estimated to arrive within the next 3 weeks. Though honestly, I might not activate it until there's any clear resolution to this. Amazon is the main drive that I apply for Payoneer. If I can't use Payoneer for Amazon, then it's basically useless.

    I don't know how big is the portion of Amazon payments compared to the whole Payoneer USPS transactions. But in my personal opinion, it should be big.
    So, since it would in the end affect Payoneer's revenue, I wonder if there has been any workaround or discussion on this issue. Would we (international members) simply lose USPS value in providing a means of receiving Amazon payments? Is there any action to be taken by Payoneer?

    Thank you,
    Dal
  • HeraHera Member Posts: 5
    DalComp wrote:

    Hello,

    I have noticed that direct deposit payments are not (or no longer?) available for Amazon non-US affiliates. I confirmed it by asking their customer support.

    I am a new member here. My card is estimated to arrive within the next 3 weeks. Though honestly, I might not activate it until there's any clear resolution to this. Amazon is the main drive that I apply for Payoneer. If I can't use Payoneer for Amazon, then it's basically useless.

    I don't know how big is the portion of Amazon payments compared to the whole Payoneer USPS transactions. But in my personal opinion, it should be big.
    So, since it would in the end affect Payoneer's revenue, I wonder if there has been any workaround or discussion on this issue. Would we (international members) simply lose USPS value in providing a means of receiving Amazon payments? Is there any action to be taken by Payoneer?

    Thank you,
    Dal


    I second this too, please advise.
  • NissimNissim Head of Community Administrator Posts: 3,604 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    Hi Guys,

    We're aware of this issue, and are looking into possible solutions.

    We will be sure to post an update once we have further information.
  • DalCompDalComp Member Posts: 7
    edited November 2012
    Nissim wrote:

    Hi Guys,

    We're aware of this issue, and are looking into possible solutions.

    We will be sure to post an update once we have further information.


    That's nice to hear.

    Chatted with a CS and she kept saying "we have no changes on our policy". Well that's true, but Amazon does change.
    I was under impression that she didn't care and it puts me on rage.

    Now I'm relieved that Payoneer is working on this.
    Please do keep us updated.
  • NissimNissim Head of Community Administrator Posts: 3,604 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    Indeed, this issue was caused by a change in Amazon's policy, but Payoneer realizes the importance of this issue. I'm sorry if that wasn't made clear on your chat with our support team.

    It's important to realize that Payoneer has very little control over this change, however we will do what we can to attempt to find a solution.
  • NelaNela Member Posts: 3
    I have just received the response from Amazon team today, here's what they say:
    Hello N.,

    I apologize for any misunderstanding. In order to qualify for the direct deposit of your Associates earnings, all three of the following conditions must be met:

    1) your payee address must be in the United States
    2) your bank must be a United States Financial Institution
    3) you must have a U.S. tax ID number or a Social Security number.

    Since your payee address is in Croatia and you do not have a social security number, payment by direct deposit isn't available to you (no matter which bank).


    We joined your program based on the presumption we got from your web site that you're making direct deposits available to non-US residents, and it appears not to be true for Amazon. Too bad.

    I understand that this is not under your control.
    But now that they've changed their policy, there is obviously no need for this option, since US residents already have a US account they can use, and non-US residents are no longer allowed to use it.
  • NissimNissim Head of Community Administrator Posts: 3,604 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 2012
    It's possible that this is a new policy implemented by Amazon, or that this is simply something they are reviewing before they make a final decision. We are doing our best to contact them and get further information regarding the issue of non-US residents receiving US direct deposit payments (as this was possible, and only recently seems to be removed as an option). As soon as we have an update, we will post it on the forum.

    Also keep in mind that this seems to affect Amazon Associates only. Amazon sellers, KDP, and CreateSpace still can receive US direct deposit transfers as non-US residents (in addition to other US companies listed here http://www.payoneer.com/USPService.aspx).
  • HeraHera Member Posts: 5
    Hi guys,

    please check, yesterday I noticed that direct deposit payment option is available again, but along with a note "United States Based Associates Only", I still don't get what they're up to, I suppose of course they notice that our accounts are international associate account, but since it appears then there must be some lights shed.
    I think this is the best time for Payoneer to contact them again to advocate and convince so that we Amazon international associate can benefit from the privilege of getting payments by direct deposit through Payoneer.

    I hope very soon we'll see additional note "United States Based Associates Only - Except for Payoneer account holders" :D:D
  • NissimNissim Head of Community Administrator Posts: 3,604 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    It's possible that this tooltip refers to the payment method being US based, meaning for associates that can receive US direct deposit transfers. As you mentioned, the option was added again for international associates, and you should now be able to receive your Amazon Associates payments via Payoneer again.
  • NissimNissim Head of Community Administrator Posts: 3,604 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    The option for US direct deposit should now once again be appearing as a payment method for international associates. You should be able to enter your US Payment Service information in the forum and receive your payments to Payoneer.
  • RhysRhys Member Posts: 3
    I just checked, found the DD option, entered my details - all good!

    Thanks so much for the update Nissim - this has made my day :)
  • DalCompDalComp Member Posts: 7
    edited December 2012
    Nissim wrote:

    It's possible that this tooltip refers to the payment method being US based, meaning for associates that can receive US direct deposit transfers. As you mentioned, the option was added again for international associates, and you should now be able to receive your Amazon Associates payments via Payoneer again.


    Well, not quite convincing. Saying "It's possible" means you are not 100% sure, so the conclusion is a bit too hasty.
    Anyhow, I sent a message asking Amazon to provide confirmation. I will post updates here.

    Thanks Nissim for keeping close attention to this issue.
  • LijahJLijahJ Member Posts: 3
    DalComp wrote:

    Well, not quite convincing. Saying "It's possible" means you are not 100% sure, so the conclusion is a bit too hasty.
    Anyhow, I sent a message asking Amazon to provide confirmation. I will post updates here.

    Thanks Nissim for keeping close attention to this issue.



    I think you will find that IF you were to actually input your Payoneer details you would be all set (as in you CAN use the DD option despite the being a non-US resident). Nissim does not work for Amazon, he cannot be held accountable for the terminology they use on their site.
  • LijahJLijahJ Member Posts: 3
    Yay, yay and double yay! :D

    Thank you for updating the thread.
  • DalCompDalComp Member Posts: 7
    LijahJ wrote:

    I think you will find that IF you were to actually input your Payoneer details you would be all set (as in you CAN use the DD option despite the being a non-US resident). Nissim does not work for Amazon, he cannot be held accountable for the terminology they use on their site.


    I am simply pointing that there is no clear information from Amazon so far.
    The last message I received from amazon was that I need to have US address, US Bank account, and SSN (similar to the message quoted by Nela).
    So even if I CAN select the DD option, doing so recklessly MIGHT put my Amazon account at the risk of suspension.

    This is why I am still waiting for a reply from amazon support, to see if their DD requirements policy has been actually adjusted.
  • bakosbakos Member Posts: 2
    Hi Nissim,

    I am sorry for my English. I am from Indonesia and notice that the option states "Pay me by direct deposit (United States Based Associates Only)".

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    In accordance with that statement, a friend of mine contacted Amazon and received this answer from Amazon representative.

    ===

    I apologize for any misunderstanding. In order to qualify for the direct deposit of your Associates earnings, all three of the following conditions must be met:

    1) your payee address must be in the United States
    2) your bank must be a United States Financial Institution
    3) you must have a U.S. tax ID number or a Social Security number.

    Since your payee address is in Indonesia, payment by direct deposit isn't available to you, nor do we offer payments via payoneer. However, you still have the option to be paid by Amazon.com gift card or check.

    ===

    I think it is not only for Indonesian but also for associates that live outside US.

    A few weeks ago Indonesia's associates are banned and lots of us were not received the revenue. We believe that Direct Deposit option is the cause of that case.

    If I choose Direct Deposit as payment method, I am worried Amazon will ban my account so I will lose any commissions. What do you think?
  • DalCompDalComp Member Posts: 7
    edited December 2012
    Hello,

    I apologize for any misunderstanding, but you still cannot receive direct deposit payments, regardless if the option is now available in Associates Central. The change you saw was across the board and is now available in every Associates member's account. If you try to add your bank information into your Associates account, you will still get an error due to you do not have a US issued Tax Id.

    Amazon.com(United States) Associate members located outside the United States, only have the option of being paid by check or gift card in this free program. Both types of payment are denominated in U.S. dollars. Payments by PayPal, Western Union, or any other electronic payment system are not options in the program to any Associates member. We are sorry if this presents any inconvenience to you.


    Updates: Above is the email I just got from Amazon.
    Payoneer's still not good to use for Amazon non-US associates.
    Please Payoneer try your best to re-communicate with them :)
  • NissimNissim Head of Community Administrator Posts: 3,604 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    This may be an issue specific to your account, however your account should not be disabled due to selecting a payment method. Most likely there was another reason; in general if the payment method is not available to you they will simply contact you and request you choose to get paid via another option. Of course, you would have to confirm with them.
  • NissimNissim Head of Community Administrator Posts: 3,604 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    As mentioned above, Payoneer is not affiliated with Amazon so we cannot comment on the reply you received (or their official policy). Perhaps this policy is only in regards to certain accounts, as we still have account holders receiving payments from Amazon each month.

    Also, I want to add that anyone can sign up to receive a US ITIN, which is an Individual Taxpayer Identification Number. You don't have to be a US resident or citizen; you just need to show that you're receiving payments from US companies. Perhaps this would assist in resolving any issue you may be having with Amazon.

    See:

    http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/fw7.pdf
    http://www.irs.gov/Individuals/Individual-Taxpayer-Identification-Number-(ITIN)
  • DalCompDalComp Member Posts: 7
    edited December 2012
    yaks wrote:

    I don't know why you would say that Nissim.

    1. Amazon clearly communicated, that International Affiliates cannot use Direct Deposit.

    2. It's stated several times on the payout method page, that International affiliates CANNOT use direct deposit.

    To me it seems, as if amazon has made it quite clear, that payoneer is no longer an option.

    I propably won't activate my payoneer, since amazon was the reason for getting it in the first place.

    *someone posted my thoughts before I do.

    3. If you don't know yet; when Amazon disabled DD options earlier, a lot of international associates were banned/terminated at the same time. Many think that the sole reason is to have DD (not allowed in Amazon rules) as their payment options.

    So anyone who would still insist on using DD option, you know the risk too. :)
  • HeraHera Member Posts: 5
    DalComp wrote:

    *someone posted my thoughts before I do.

    3. If you don't know yet; when Amazon disabled DD options earlier, a lot of international associates were banned/terminated at the same time. Many think that the sole reason is to have DD (not allowed in Amazon rules) as their payment options.

    So anyone who would still insist on using DD option, you know the risk too. :)


    I agree about the possible risk, but as far as I know there is no any statement in Amazon Operating Agreement about suspension or closing because of the type of payment, and as far as I know the account closing last month was because of one US Bank account used by many different Amazon account at the same time (A Direct Deposit service), not because of Payoneer, and until now I haven't heard anyone's Amazon account closed because of Payoneer's US Bank account with their own name only. Well, anyway who knows.
  • NissimNissim Head of Community Administrator Posts: 3,604 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    So long as all of the information you provide on your Amazon account is valid and your own (address, ID number, etc), you should not face any risk of suspension. Most likely the issue you are referring to was related to another problem, and not the payment method.
  • alif_bocfenalif_bocfen Member Posts: 7
    how can I sign up to receive the U.S. ITIN, which is an Individual Taxpayer Identification Number Identification.?
  • NissimNissim Head of Community Administrator Posts: 3,604 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    There are many online guides to applying for one. This is one I found which provides some great information: http://www.stepbystepselfpublishing.net/how-to-get-an-itin.html
  • erwinerwin Member Posts: 3
    Nela wrote:

    1) your payee address must be in the United States
    2) your bank must be a United States Financial Institution
    3) you must have a U.S. tax ID number or a Social Security number.

    from my understanding we did not qualify for point 1 and 3, but;
    point 1: its mean that Payoneer US Payment Service or any Direct Deposit is illegal for foreigners ?
    Point 3: Amazon (or me) has a low knowledge about US Laws because many affiliate network just ask W-8BEN* IRS Tax form for foreigners, right?

    many amazon affiliate said to me that DD available again to trap/banned foreigners after their hard work earning.

    * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRS_tax_forms#W-8_Series
  • NissimNissim Head of Community Administrator Posts: 3,604 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    Many affiliate programs will allow non-US residents to get paid to a US account. Some will additionally ask for an ITIN, which can be issued to anyone, even non-US residents. I cannot comment on Amazon's policies specifically, however it seems that they should allow non-US residents to get paid via US direct deposit, should they have a valid payment option available to them. Hopefully they will realize this and update their default support response.
  • alif_bocfenalif_bocfen Member Posts: 7
    hi nissim,
    Can I receive payment from another amazon account?
    and can I receive from more than one amazon account

    :o:o
  • NissimNissim Head of Community Administrator Posts: 3,604 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    Yes, so long as Amazon allows it you can receive payments to your US Payment Service from multiple accounts.
  • NissimNissim Head of Community Administrator Posts: 3,604 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    We have not received any reports of accounts being disabled due to getting paid via DD. It's likely those accounts were disabled for an unrelated issue.
  • DalCompDalComp Member Posts: 7
    edited December 2012
    Nissim wrote:

    We have not received any reports of accounts being disabled due to getting paid via DD. It's likely those accounts were disabled for an unrelated issue.

    And while I have responses from Amazon that I can not receive DD payments, you don't have any message/response that says otherwise.

    So in my opinion, you should be taking a neutral position instead of sending out possibly misleading information.
  • alif_bocfenalif_bocfen Member Posts: 7
    hi nissim,


    Can I receive payments from Amazon more than $ 300? because, I get an email from payoneer


    New accounts have a temporary private load limit of $ 300. To increase of this limit, simply receive payments from any of our official partners or using our U.S. Payment Service.
  • NissimNissim Head of Community Administrator Posts: 3,604 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    Yes, you can. The limit you mention is related to the Private Load Service only. There is no limit to the amount you can receive using the US Payment Service.
  • TuanHoTuanHo Member Posts: 9
    edited December 2012
    Anyone outside US receive this month payment? Please update for us.
  • DeeDee Member Posts: 11 ✭✭
    I have updated my payment info to my US service bank account as soon as I got approved.. today I received the Amazon Associates email notification that October's payment has been sent.. I was excited thinking that I will finally get to receive my commission to my Payoneer card, then I checked my payment history to see that the payment was made by Check and not direct deposit. I can't tell if they did this on purpose or if my account changes have not been applied, although I'm sure the changes in my account were applied as I got a confirmation as soon as I changed it. I'm emailing them now and will update with the answer I get.

    Would love to hear from anyone else.. any non-US affiliates received their commission to their Payoneer account successfully?
  • TuanHoTuanHo Member Posts: 9
    if you have just approved on recent days then no way to receive payment in Payoneer card on this month. Change on payment method should be at least 20 days earlier for it to be effective.
  • TuanHoTuanHo Member Posts: 9
    Can you update for us when you have news available, Nissim? Changing payment method would take 30days to be effective, I have a very short time to make an action to receive payment at the end of January.
  • NissimNissim Head of Community Administrator Posts: 3,604 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    The option for direct deposit payments to a US account should be available. Any additional restrictions imposed by Amazon I can't really comment on (it's not in my control), but it should allow you to enter the US Payment Service details.
  • DeeDee Member Posts: 11 ✭✭
    TuanHo wrote:

    Can you update for us when you have news available, Nissim? Changing payment method would take 30days to be effective, I have a very short time to make an action to receive payment at the end of January.


    Are you sure it takes 30 days for a new payment method to be effective? This could be it then. I updated my payment method about 15 days ago or so. I thought the change would be effective immediately. I contacted Amazon regarding this and will update with what they have to say.
  • DeeDee Member Posts: 11 ✭✭
    Just updating everyone regarding the payment I got by Check instead of Direct Deposit. Looks like it is because I applied the payment method change late - 10 days before payment time (Looks like TuanHo is correct, it may need 30 days to be effective) I was told that my January payment should be sent by DD. So I'm guessing there's no problem for Non-US affiliates to withdraw using Payoneer US Bank service. Would be nice to hear from someone who has successful cashed out using DD this month.

    Happy new year, everyone!
  • HeraHera Member Posts: 5
    Update Today:

    I still use Payoneer on my account and today I still receive the payment from Amazon, means I still get paid by Amazon through US Bank Account provided by Payoneer. Well at least until today my Amazon account still exists, don't know about tomorrow or next month, we'll see.


    FYI:

    I use the Payoneer account only for my own Amazon account, use the same name on both US Bank account of Payoneer and Amazon.
    Just don't break the Affiliate Operating Agreements and you're golden, at least until the time I wrote this reply.

    Use at your own risk. It's like a game, when the game is over, just press restart button and get back in the race.
    Good luck.
  • srkhanalsrkhanal Member Posts: 10
    I also got my October Amazon payment today to my Payoneer card. So it is clear that Amazon still allows direct deposit transfers to non-US residents.
  • TuanHoTuanHo Member Posts: 9
    hi Hera, may I know the approximate the last time you change you payment method? It seems to me mastering AMZ's payment methods is as hard as selling for them.
  • HeraHera Member Posts: 5
    TuanHo wrote:

    hi Hera, may I know the approximate the last time you change you payment method? It seems to me mastering AMZ's payment methods is as hard as selling for them.


    Actually not that hard, as far as I know, at least you have to change one month before the due, for example: payment for January is made in late March (approximately 60 days after Jan. 30), therefore you have to change before the end of February.
  • DeeDee Member Posts: 11 ✭✭
    I have yet another update..

    Even though my Amazon payment history says I was paid via Check, and Amazon support told me that I changed my payment method late.. I was surprised to see that I have received the payment to my Payoneer account later last night! So that is definitely good news. But just to be %100 in the clear, make sure you change your payment method at least 30 days prior.
  • NissimNissim Head of Community Administrator Posts: 3,604 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    Thanks everyone for updating with your experiences!

    Please keep them coming, I'm sure the entire community will benefit a lot from them :)
  • AyanAyan Member Posts: 3
    Guys! I don't know why you are confused!! The one and only payment method is supported by amazon is "ACH deposit"

    So, you are confused about ACH deposit and Direct deposit. Actually the thing is direct deposit is kind of a subset of ACH transactions as a whole. So, I would suggest you not to worry about this matter. I know some of you are confused about amazon CS. But the thing is the only option for getting paid from amazon is "ACH deposit" And payoneer has this. Go to this link: http://www.payoneer.com/USPService.aspx You will notice "Get paid via US ACH/Direct Deposit"

    So, In my opinion payoneer is good ;)

    I hope above info. is helpful to all.

    Thanks!
  • nigelinspainnigelinspain Member Posts: 5
    Well to some degree I am even more confused now than I was when I first started reading this thread.

    I got my US Payment service approved around the 23 December and a couple of days later changed my Amazon payment method from check to DD.

    On the 1 Jan I contacted them to say I had not received my payment for October that was sitting in my account and got a reply back from Amazon customer support saying:

    Hello Nigel,

    I apologize for any misunderstanding. In order to qualify for the direct deposit of your Associates earnings, all three of the following conditions must be met:

    1) your payee address must be in the United States
    2) your bank must be a United States Financial Institution
    3) you must have a U.S. tax ID number or a Social Security number.

    Since your payee address is in Spain, payment by direct deposit isn't available to you. However, you still have the option to be paid by Amazon.com gift card or check.

    If you select check as your payment method, we'll send payment after your earnings balance reaches $100. The check will be mailed to the payee address on file for your account.

    If you choose to be paid by gift card, the claim code is sent to your e-mail address for you to redeem. There is a $10 minimum for gift card payments. Gift card payments from the Amazon Associates Program can be redeemed on Amazon.com and MYHABIT.com.


    So I came to the conclusion that that was that and I would have to try the gift card option.

    But now I have read here on this thread that people outside the US are still receiving payment through the US Payment Service. So I am very confused.

    Perhaps it was because I had only changed my Amazon account details a few days before the payment was due. But if that was the case you would think that Amazon would say this and not point out that because I live in Spain they will not send me the money.

    I guess I will have to wait till the end of Jan and see if the payment comes through then as the changes to my Amazon payment details will be over 30 days old then.

    I just hope though that I can get payment through for Amazon KDP as this is really the reason I joined Payoneer for in the first place.
  • NissimNissim Head of Community Administrator Posts: 3,604 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 2013

    You can also visit this thread on the unofficial Kindle forums, in which a member quoted KDP support as confirming they do allow US ACH/Direct Deposit for non-US residents: http://www.kindleboards.com/index.php/topic,113549.msg1735348.html#msg1735348

  • alif_bocfenalif_bocfen Member Posts: 7
    hi Nissim,

    Can I receive payments from amazon, my Payoneer card while not yet home. :o:o
  • NissimNissim Head of Community Administrator Posts: 3,604 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    Yes, once your Payoneer card has been issued and your US Payment Service information received, you can already begin receiving payments.
  • nigelinspainnigelinspain Member Posts: 5

    Just to add to my comments above. I have today just received a payment from Amazon Associates through to my payment card. So even though Amazon says they can´t do this in actual fact the do it any way.

     

    Brilliant! I thought I would never see that money.

     

    So it does seem that the month after you give them your details they will send the money through to you.

     

    I´m glad I changed my details now or I would never have got that money.

     

    Well done Payoneer!

  • tassedecafetassedecafe Member Posts: 3

    Hi,

     

    I opened an account with Payoneer specifically to get paid by the Amazon Affiliates program.

    However, the payment failed. I've contacted both Payoneer and Amazon.

     

    Payoneer told me that I should talk to Amazon directly while Amazon told me that to get paid by Amazon, the following three conditions must be met:

     

       1) your payee address must be in the United States
       2) your bank must be a United States Financial Institution
       3) you must have a U.S. tax ID number or a Social Security number

     

    Obviously, I took a Payoneer account as I'm not in the US so the first condition is not met and I can't get paid. However the Payoneer website leads me to think that they they accept payment from Amazon:

    http://www.payoneer.com/USPService.aspx clearly states "Receive funds from US companies, such as PayPal, Amazon, Apple, and more:"

     

    So, who is wrong ?

  • DavidDavid Member Posts: 3,193 ✭✭✭
    edited March 2013

    Generally Amazon would not ask for this information unless you signed up as a US resident, you should sign up under your own country.

     

    The Payoneer US Payment Service can only provide you with US bank routing number that sends the payment to your card.

    Sign up for Payoneer and the US Payment Service

  • tassedecafetassedecafe Member Posts: 3

    I didn't sign up as a US resident. The following line in their email states that I'm not allowed to be paid as I'm living in Belgium.

     

    I've read in other threads that it could be due to the fact that I've updated my payment information too late for their system to process.  Others have stated in this forum that they did get paid so I'll keep my fingers crossed and wait another month. I hope it works for other services (CJ, Linkshare, ...) otherwise I'll just cancel my Payoneer card.

  • DeeDee Member Posts: 11 ✭✭
    tassedecafe wrote on February 5 2013, 10:42 AM: »

    I didn't sign up as a US resident. The following line in their email states that I'm not allowed to be paid as I'm living in Belgium.

     

    I've read in other threads that it could be due to the fact that I've updated my payment information too late for their system to process.  Others have stated in this forum that they did get paid so I'll keep my fingers crossed and wait another month. I hope it works for other services (CJ, Linkshare, ...) otherwise I'll just cancel my Payoneer card.

     

    Hi..

     

    I'm a non-US Amazon Affiliate and have been paid via Payoneer twice. It works just fine. If you contact Amazon's support about it, they'll give you a dull scripted answer that has nothing to do with the issue. So just make sure your Amazon Affiliates account is set with your US payment service account at least 20 or 30 days prior and it should work. Good luck!

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